GRASS mailing list community evolution - Revision history

Neteler at 16:40, 25 April 2024

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	Consider watching the ML using https://github.com/elationfoundation/openThreads		Consider watching the ML using https://github.com/elationfoundation/openThreads
	(See: https://www.slideshare.net/apw217/sotm-openthreadsfinal for an introduction to the project)		(See: https://www.slideshare.net/apw217/sotm-openthreadsfinal for an introduction to the project)

			[[Category: Community]]
			[[Category: Promotion]]

Neteler: update some URL to web.archive.org

2024-04-24T18:30:34Z

update some URL to web.archive.org

Neteler: /* How source data was collected */

2024-04-24T07:59:52Z

How source data was collected

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	Members of the US Corps of Engineers (US Army CERL) launched the grass-user and grass-dev "GRASShopper" mailing lists in December 1991 ("Opening Night" in [http://lists.osgeo.org/pipermail/grass-dev/1991-December/000002.html grass-dev] and [http://lists.osgeo.org/pipermail/grass-user/1991-December/013383.html grass-user]). And the first user message came from Politecnico di Milano in Italy... Only the following year the [http://lists.osgeo.org/pipermail/grass-dev/1992-January/000031.html comp.infosystems.gis] Usenet group was born, followed with a GRASS mailing lists-Usenet interface in [http://lists.osgeo.org/pipermail/grass-dev/1992-December/000584.html December 1992].		Members of the US Corps of Engineers (US Army CERL) launched the grass-user and grass-dev "GRASShopper" mailing lists in December 1991 ("Opening Night" in [http://lists.osgeo.org/pipermail/grass-dev/1991-December/000002.html grass-dev] and [http://lists.osgeo.org/pipermail/grass-user/1991-December/013383.html grass-user]). And the first user message came from Politecnico di Milano in Italy... Only the following year the [http://lists.osgeo.org/pipermail/grass-dev/1992-January/000031.html comp.infosystems.gis] Usenet group was born, followed with a GRASS mailing lists-Usenet interface in [http://lists.osgeo.org/pipermail/grass-dev/1992-December/000584.html December 1992].

	* new mailing lists born in 1999 at University of Hannover		* new mailing lists born in 1999 at University of Hannover by [[user:neteler\|MN]]
	* in 2001 lists migrated to Italy with MN and server migration		* in 2001 lists migrated to Italy with MN and server migration
	* missing emails recovered from dejanews and merged into original lists mbox files (which MN received from US Army~~, don't remember precisely~~)		* missing emails recovered from dejanews and merged into original lists mbox files (which MN received from US Army)
	* All email headers for many years had to be reconstructed since their format was broken.		* All email headers for many years had to be reconstructed since their format was broken. Painful yet rewarding.
	* complete archive restored and online ''(check date MN)''		* complete archive restored and online ''(~2005, check date MN)''
	* in 2007, lists migrated to OSGeo infrastructure		* in 2007, lists migrated to OSGeo infrastructure

Neteler: more GRASS GIS project history added

2016-12-23T22:28:53Z

more GRASS GIS project history added

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	Already in early days GRASS developers were concerned about copyright issues and introduction of [http://lists.osgeo.org/pipermail/grass-dev/1992-March/000155.html non-free code] in GRASS. The GRASS FTP site was changed to a 24hs service in [http://lists.osgeo.org/pipermail/grass-dev/1992-September/000490.html September 1992]. We remember that there was no WWW at all in those days. First GRASS Linux binaries where announced in [http://lists.osgeo.org/pipermail/grass-dev/1994-February/001430.html February 1994]. A first European GRASS FTP mirror site appeared in [http://lists.osgeo.org/pipermail/grass-dev/1995-January/001962.html January 1995]. The first internet viruses were discussed in [http://lists.osgeo.org/pipermail/grass-user/1995-April/023391.html April 1995] and first spam reached the lists in [http://lists.osgeo.org/pipermail/grass-dev/1995-October/date.html October 1995] (most spam was later manually removed from the list archives by MN). With CERL winding down the development in 1996 due to a governmental decision, the traffic in the developers ist went down to a minimum.		Already in early days GRASS developers were concerned about copyright issues and introduction of [http://lists.osgeo.org/pipermail/grass-dev/1992-March/000155.html non-free code] in GRASS. The GRASS FTP site was changed to a 24hs service in [http://lists.osgeo.org/pipermail/grass-dev/1992-September/000490.html September 1992]. We remember that there was no WWW at all in those days. First GRASS Linux binaries where announced in [http://lists.osgeo.org/pipermail/grass-dev/1994-February/001430.html February 1994]. A first European GRASS FTP mirror site appeared in [http://lists.osgeo.org/pipermail/grass-dev/1995-January/001962.html January 1995]. The first internet viruses were discussed in [http://lists.osgeo.org/pipermail/grass-user/1995-April/023391.html April 1995] and first spam reached the lists in [http://lists.osgeo.org/pipermail/grass-dev/1995-October/date.html October 1995] (most spam was later manually removed from the list archives by MN). With CERL winding down the development in 1996 due to a governmental decision, the traffic in the developers ist went down to a minimum.
	The GRASS ~~lists~~ returned to activity in 1997. A first attempt to get GRASS into Debian in [http://lists.osgeo.org/pipermail/grass-dev/1998-March/002357.html March 1998]. The new GRASS 4.2.1 package, the first release after 4.1 from CERL became available in [http://lists.osgeo.org/pipermail/grass-dev/1998-January/002335.html January 1998]. The license change to GPL was discussed in [http://lists.osgeo.org/pipermail/grass-dev/1999-October/date.html October 1999]. GRASS 5 beta releases came out in [http://lists.osgeo.org/pipermail/grass-dev/1999-October/012816.html October 1999].		The GRASS project returned to real activity in 1997. A first attempt to get GRASS into Debian in [http://lists.osgeo.org/pipermail/grass-dev/1998-March/002357.html March 1998]. The new GRASS 4.2.1 package, the first release after 4.1 from CERL became available in [http://lists.osgeo.org/pipermail/grass-dev/1998-January/002335.html January 1998]. The license change to GPL was discussed in [http://lists.osgeo.org/pipermail/grass-dev/1999-October/date.html October 1999]. GRASS 5 beta releases came out in [http://lists.osgeo.org/pipermail/grass-dev/1999-October/012816.html October 1999]. In 2006 a GRASS Wiki was started (originally TWIKI at http://grass.gdf-hannover.de/wiki/, then [https://lists.osgeo.org/pipermail/grass-announce/2006-May/000014.html in 2006 migrated to Mediawiki], eventually [https://lists.osgeo.org/pipermail/grass-announce/2008-April/000043.html in 2008 to moved to OSGeo] at https://grasswiki.osgeo.org/). The mailing lists were [https://lists.osgeo.org/pipermail/grass-announce/2007-November/000036.html migrated in 2007] from ITC-irst, Trento/Italy, to OSGeo, USA.

	...		...

⚠️Madi: /* And then.. */

2013-06-11T15:18:14Z

And then..

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	* ANNI 90: depression and renewal		* ANNI 90: depression and renewal
	* Full steam with OSGeo... GRASS list in the top 10!		* Full steam with OSGeo... GRASS list in the top 10!

			== Ideas ==
			Consider watching the ML using https://github.com/elationfoundation/openThreads
			(See: http://www.slideshare.net/apw217/sotm-openthreadsfinal for an introduction to the project)

Neteler: /* Poi */

2011-02-26T19:08:08Z

Poi

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	==~~Poi~~==		== And then.. ==
	- RELEASES AND EMAIL HYPE (MN)		* RELEASES AND EMAIL HYPE (MN)
	- ANNI 90: depression and renewal		* ANNI 90: depression and renewal
	- ...		* Full steam with OSGeo... GRASS list in the top 10!

Neteler: +Trivia

2009-05-03T20:17:53Z

+Trivia

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	SHORT STORY ABOUT LONG CONVERSATION (uh, could be better title)		SHORT STORY ABOUT LONG CONVERSATION (uh, could be better title)

	Members of the US Corps of Engineers (US Army CERL) launched the grass-user and grass-dev "GRASShopper" mailing lists in December 1991 ("Opening Night" in [http://lists.osgeo.org/pipermail/grass-dev/1991-December/000002.html grass-dev] and [http://lists.osgeo.org/pipermail/grass-user/1991-December/013383.html grass-user]). And the first user message came from Politecnico di Milano in Italy... Only the following year the [http://lists.osgeo.org/pipermail/grass-dev/1992-January/000031.html comp.infosystems.gis] Usenet group was born, followed with a GRASS mailing lists-Usenet interface in [http://lists.osgeo.org/pipermail/grass-dev/1992-December/000584.html December 1992]. Already in early days GRASS developers were concerned about copyright issues and introduction of [http://lists.osgeo.org/pipermail/grass-dev/1992-March/000155.html non-free code] in GRASS. The GRASS FTP site was changed to a 24hs service in [http://lists.osgeo.org/pipermail/grass-dev/1992-September/000490.html September 1992]. We remember that there was no WWW at all in those days. First GRASS Linux binaries where announced in [http://lists.osgeo.org/pipermail/grass-dev/1994-February/001430.html February 1994]. A first European GRASS FTP mirror site appeared in [http://lists.osgeo.org/pipermail/grass-dev/1995-January/001962.html January 1995]. The first internet viruses were discussed in [http://lists.osgeo.org/pipermail/grass-user/1995-April/023391.html April 1995] and first spam reached the lists in [http://lists.osgeo.org/pipermail/grass-dev/1995-October/date.html October 1995] (most spam was later manually removed from the list archives by MN). With CERL winding down the development in 1996 due to a governmental decision, the traffic in the developers ist went down to a minimum.		Members of the US Corps of Engineers (US Army CERL) launched the grass-user and grass-dev "GRASShopper" mailing lists in December 1991 ("Opening Night" in [http://lists.osgeo.org/pipermail/grass-dev/1991-December/000002.html grass-dev] and [http://lists.osgeo.org/pipermail/grass-user/1991-December/013383.html grass-user]). And the first user message came from Politecnico di Milano in Italy... Only the following year the [http://lists.osgeo.org/pipermail/grass-dev/1992-January/000031.html comp.infosystems.gis] Usenet group was born, followed with a GRASS mailing lists-Usenet interface in [http://lists.osgeo.org/pipermail/grass-dev/1992-December/000584.html December 1992].

	* new mailing lists born in 1999 at University of Hannover ~~as dejanews wasn't usable nor pratical ''(check MN)''~~		* new mailing lists born in 1999 at University of Hannover
	* in 2001 lists migrated to Italy with MN and server migration		* in 2001 lists migrated to Italy with MN and server migration
	* missing emails recovered from dejanews and merged into original lists mbox files (which MN received from US Army, don't remember precisely)		* missing emails recovered from dejanews and merged into original lists mbox files (which MN received from US Army, don't remember precisely)
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	Reference for details beyond the top 20 entries: worksheets 5 and 6 of ODS file		Reference for details beyond the top 20 entries: worksheets 5 and 6 of ODS file

			== Trivia ==

			Already in early days GRASS developers were concerned about copyright issues and introduction of [http://lists.osgeo.org/pipermail/grass-dev/1992-March/000155.html non-free code] in GRASS. The GRASS FTP site was changed to a 24hs service in [http://lists.osgeo.org/pipermail/grass-dev/1992-September/000490.html September 1992]. We remember that there was no WWW at all in those days. First GRASS Linux binaries where announced in [http://lists.osgeo.org/pipermail/grass-dev/1994-February/001430.html February 1994]. A first European GRASS FTP mirror site appeared in [http://lists.osgeo.org/pipermail/grass-dev/1995-January/001962.html January 1995]. The first internet viruses were discussed in [http://lists.osgeo.org/pipermail/grass-user/1995-April/023391.html April 1995] and first spam reached the lists in [http://lists.osgeo.org/pipermail/grass-dev/1995-October/date.html October 1995] (most spam was later manually removed from the list archives by MN). With CERL winding down the development in 1996 due to a governmental decision, the traffic in the developers ist went down to a minimum.
			The GRASS lists returned to activity in 1997. A first attempt to get GRASS into Debian in [http://lists.osgeo.org/pipermail/grass-dev/1998-March/002357.html March 1998]. The new GRASS 4.2.1 package, the first release after 4.1 from CERL became available in [http://lists.osgeo.org/pipermail/grass-dev/1998-January/002335.html January 1998]. The license change to GPL was discussed in [http://lists.osgeo.org/pipermail/grass-dev/1999-October/date.html October 1999]. GRASS 5 beta releases came out in [http://lists.osgeo.org/pipermail/grass-dev/1999-October/012816.html October 1999].

			...

	==Poi==		==Poi==
	- RELEASES AND EMAIL HYPE (~~faccio io~~)		- RELEASES AND EMAIL HYPE (MN)
	- ANNI 90: depression and renewal		- ANNI 90: depression and renewal
	- ...		- ...

Neteler: /* How source data was collected */

2009-05-03T19:59:36Z

How source data was collected

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	SHORT STORY ABOUT LONG CONVERSATION (uh, could be better title)		SHORT STORY ABOUT LONG CONVERSATION (uh, could be better title)

	* US Army mailing lists ~~launch 12~~/1991		Members of the US Corps of Engineers (US Army CERL) launched the grass-user and grass-dev "GRASShopper" mailing lists in December 1991 ("Opening Night" in [http://lists.osgeo.org/pipermail/grass-dev/1991-December/000002.html grass-dev] and [http://lists.osgeo.org/pipermail/grass-user/1991-December/013383.html grass-user]). And the first user message came from Politecnico di Milano in Italy... Only the following year the [http://lists.osgeo.org/pipermail/grass-dev/1992-January/000031.html comp.infosystems.gis] Usenet group was born, followed with a GRASS mailing lists-Usenet interface in [http://lists.osgeo.org/pipermail/grass-dev/1992-December/000584.html December 1992]. Already in early days GRASS developers were concerned about copyright issues and introduction of [http://lists.osgeo.org/pipermail/grass-dev/1992-March/000155.html non-free code] in GRASS. The GRASS FTP site was changed to a 24hs service in [http://lists.osgeo.org/pipermail/grass-dev/1992-September/000490.html September 1992]. We remember that there was no WWW at all in those days. First GRASS Linux binaries where announced in [http://lists.osgeo.org/pipermail/grass-dev/1994-February/001430.html February 1994]. A first European GRASS FTP mirror site appeared in [http://lists.osgeo.org/pipermail/grass-dev/1995-January/001962.html January 1995]. The first internet viruses were discussed in [http://lists.osgeo.org/pipermail/grass-user/1995-April/023391.html April 1995] and first spam reached the lists in [http://lists.osgeo.org/pipermail/grass-dev/1995-October/date.html October 1995] (most spam was later manually removed from the list archives by MN). With CERL winding down the development in 1996 due to a governmental decision, the traffic in the developers ist went down to a minimum.
	* interfaced with deja news (http://en.~~wikipedia~~.org/~~wiki~~/~~Deja_News~~) in ~~''(check MN)''~~
	* Deja_News forum only ''(dovrei verificare ma ho gli mbox files delle liste, ~~si fa preso con "mutt")''~~
	* 1995 ~~(?) email~~ [http://en.~~wikipedia~~.org/~~wiki~~/E-~~mail_spam~~ spam] ~~nasce in Dejanews, carefully~~ later ~~polished~~ manually from the list
	* new mailing lists born in 1999 at University of Hannover as dejanews wasn't usable nor pratical ''(check MN)''		* new mailing lists born in 1999 at University of Hannover as dejanews wasn't usable nor pratical ''(check MN)''
	* in 2001 lists migrated to Italy with MN and server migration		* in 2001 lists migrated to Italy with MN and server migration

Neteler: +figure captions

2009-05-03T18:25:43Z

+figure captions

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	[[File:1grassdev-post-by-tz.jpg]]		[[File:1grassdev-post-by-tz.jpg\|450px\|thumb\|center\|Number of messages by time zone]]
	[[File:2grassdev-relproportion-by-tz.jpg]]
	[[File:3grassdev-cumfreq.jpg]]		[[File:2grassdev-relproportion-by-tz.jpg\|450px\|thumb\|center\|Relative proportion of messages per year]]
	[[File:4grassuser-post-by-tz.jpg]]
	[[File:5grassuser-relprop-by-tz.jpg]]		[[File:3grassdev-cumfreq.jpg\|450px\|thumb\|center\|Cumulated percent of messages]]
	[[File:6grassuser-cumfreq.jpg]]
	[[File:7grassdev-localtime.jpg]]		[[File:4grassuser-post-by-tz.jpg\|450px\|thumb\|center\|grass-user: number of messages per time zone]]

			[[File:5grassuser-relprop-by-tz.jpg\|450px\|thumb\|center\|grass-user: relative proportion of messages per time zone]]

			[[File:6grassuser-cumfreq.jpg\|450px\|thumb\|center\|grass-user: cumulated percentage of messages]]

			[[File:7grassdev-localtime.jpg\|450px\|thumb\|center\|grass-dev: local time of message posting by year]]

	==...and what about the contents ?==		==...and what about the contents ?==
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	[[File:8grassdev-commands-in-time.jpg]]		[[File:8grassdev-commands-in-time.jpg\|450px\|thumb\|center\|grass-dev: mentioning of commands by year]]
	[[File:9grassuser-commands-in-time.jpg]]
			[[File:9grassuser-commands-in-time.jpg\|450px\|thumb\|center\|grass-user: occurrence in time of top20 most mentioned commands]]

	yay... La cosa deve un po' crescere. (AL LIMITE CI LIMITIAMO A SPIEGARE CHE SIAMO CONTENTI DI AVER FATTO UNA PRIMA ESTRAZIONE...)		yay... La cosa deve un po' crescere. (AL LIMITE CI LIMITIAMO A SPIEGARE CHE SIAMO CONTENTI DI AVER FATTO UNA PRIMA ESTRAZIONE...)

⚠️Pibinko: added charts

2009-04-04T10:57:59Z

added charts

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	[[File:6grassuser-cumfreq.jpg]]		[[File:6grassuser-cumfreq.jpg]]
	[[File:7grassdev-localtime.jpg]]		[[File:7grassdev-localtime.jpg]]
	~~[[File:8grassdev-commands-in-time.jpg]]~~
	~~[[File:9grassuser-commands-in-time.jpg]]~~

	==...and what about the contents ?==		==...and what about the contents ?==
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	The clear limitation in this type of analysis is that the use of a term is not associated to context. Reference to a specific command may not indicate if this is associated to a coding problem, to issues in use, or to working examples.		The clear limitation in this type of analysis is that the use of a term is not associated to context. Reference to a specific command may not indicate if this is associated to a coding problem, to issues in use, or to working examples.
	Another element which is neglected in the analysis is quotation: i.e. the occurrence of a term is counted as long as it appears in the body of a message.		Another element which is neglected in the analysis is quotation: i.e. the occurrence of a term is counted as long as it appears in the body of a message.
			At the same time, we think that even a preliminary analysis does provide extremely interesting insight on the bulk of mailing list traffic.

	The review of the entries reported by the parser (Figures xx and yy) (DOVE CI PORTA ?)		The review of the entries reported by the parser (Figures xx and yy) (DOVE CI PORTA ?)


			[[File:8grassdev-commands-in-time.jpg]]
			[[File:9grassuser-commands-in-time.jpg]]

	yay... La cosa deve un po' crescere. (AL LIMITE CI LIMITIAMO A SPIEGARE CHE SIAMO CONTENTI DI AVER FATTO UNA PRIMA ESTRAZIONE...)		yay... La cosa deve un po' crescere. (AL LIMITE CI LIMITIAMO A SPIEGARE CHE SIAMO CONTENTI DI AVER FATTO UNA PRIMA ESTRAZIONE...)

	Reference: worksheets 5 and 6 of ODS file~~, which will become Table 1 (for GRASS-dev terms) and Table 6 (for GRASS-user terms)~~		Reference for details beyond the top 20 entries: worksheets 5 and 6 of ODS file

	==Poi==		==Poi==

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	==Introduction==		==Introduction==

	During the [http://gfoss2009.crs4.it/ 10th GRASS GFOSS User meeting] in Cagliari, Italy, a summary		During the [[https://web.archive.org/web/20130323193917/http://gfoss2009.crs4.it/ 10th GRASS GFOSS User meeting] in Cagliari, Italy, a summary
	of the activities of the Italian GFOSS community was presented.		of the activities of the Italian GFOSS community was presented.
	Together with basic indicators on the activity of the Italian		Together with basic indicators on the activity of the Italian
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	software user meetings, we considered the idea of replicating the same analysis		software user meetings, we considered the idea of replicating the same analysis
	on two other mailing lists with a much longer history, namely the		on two other mailing lists with a much longer history, namely the
	grass developer ([~~http~~://lists.osgeo.org/pipermail/grass-dev/ grass-dev]) and the grass user ([~~http~~://lists.osgeo.org/pipermail/grass-user/ grass-user]) mailing lists.		grass developer ([https://lists.osgeo.org/pipermail/grass-dev/ grass-dev]) and the grass user ([https://lists.osgeo.org/pipermail/grass-user/ grass-user]) mailing lists.

	The outcome of the analysis provides a unique insight on the dynamics		The outcome of the analysis provides a unique insight on the dynamics
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	SHORT STORY ABOUT LONG CONVERSATION (uh, could be better title)		SHORT STORY ABOUT LONG CONVERSATION (uh, could be better title)

	Members of the US Corps of Engineers (US Army CERL) launched the grass-user and grass-dev "GRASShopper" mailing lists in December 1991 ("Opening Night" in [~~http~~://lists.osgeo.org/pipermail/grass-dev/1991-December/000002.html grass-dev] and [~~http~~://lists.osgeo.org/pipermail/grass-user/1991-December/013383.html grass-user]). And the first user message came from Politecnico di Milano in Italy... Only the following year the [~~http~~://lists.osgeo.org/pipermail/grass-dev/1992-January/000031.html comp.infosystems.gis] Usenet group was born, followed with a GRASS mailing lists-Usenet interface in [~~http~~://lists.osgeo.org/pipermail/grass-dev/1992-December/000584.html December 1992].		Members of the US Corps of Engineers (US Army CERL) launched the grass-user and grass-dev "GRASShopper" mailing lists in December 1991 ("Opening Night" in [https://lists.osgeo.org/pipermail/grass-dev/1991-December/000002.html grass-dev] and [https://lists.osgeo.org/pipermail/grass-user/1991-December/013383.html grass-user]). And the first user message came from Politecnico di Milano in Italy... Only the following year the [https://lists.osgeo.org/pipermail/grass-dev/1992-January/000031.html comp.infosystems.gis] Usenet group was born, followed with a GRASS mailing lists-Usenet interface in [https://lists.osgeo.org/pipermail/grass-dev/1992-December/000584.html December 1992].

	* new mailing lists born in 1999 at University of Hannover by [[user:neteler\|MN]]		* new mailing lists born in 1999 at University of Hannover by [[user:neteler\|MN]]
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	== Trivia ==		== Trivia ==

	Already in early days GRASS developers were concerned about copyright issues and introduction of [~~http~~://lists.osgeo.org/pipermail/grass-dev/1992-March/000155.html non-free code] in GRASS. The GRASS FTP site was changed to a 24hs service in [~~http~~://lists.osgeo.org/pipermail/grass-dev/1992-September/000490.html September 1992]. We remember that there was no WWW at all in those days. First GRASS Linux binaries where announced in [~~http~~://lists.osgeo.org/pipermail/grass-dev/1994-February/001430.html February 1994]. A first European GRASS FTP mirror site appeared in [~~http~~://lists.osgeo.org/pipermail/grass-dev/1995-January/001962.html January 1995]. The first internet viruses were discussed in [~~http~~://lists.osgeo.org/pipermail/grass-user/1995-April/023391.html April 1995] and first spam reached the lists in [~~http~~://lists.osgeo.org/pipermail/grass-dev/1995-October/date.html October 1995] (most spam was later manually removed from the list archives by MN). With CERL winding down the development in 1996 due to a governmental decision, the traffic in the developers ist went down to a minimum.		Already in early days GRASS developers were concerned about copyright issues and introduction of [https://lists.osgeo.org/pipermail/grass-dev/1992-March/000155.html non-free code] in GRASS. The GRASS FTP site was changed to a 24hs service in [https://lists.osgeo.org/pipermail/grass-dev/1992-September/000490.html September 1992]. We remember that there was no WWW at all in those days. First GRASS Linux binaries where announced in [https://lists.osgeo.org/pipermail/grass-dev/1994-February/001430.html February 1994]. A first European GRASS FTP mirror site appeared in [https://lists.osgeo.org/pipermail/grass-dev/1995-January/001962.html January 1995]. The first internet viruses were discussed in [https://lists.osgeo.org/pipermail/grass-user/1995-April/023391.html April 1995] and first spam reached the lists in [https://lists.osgeo.org/pipermail/grass-dev/1995-October/date.html October 1995] (most spam was later manually removed from the list archives by MN). With CERL winding down the development in 1996 due to a governmental decision, the traffic in the developers ist went down to a minimum.
	The GRASS project returned to real activity in 1997. A first attempt to get GRASS into Debian in [~~http~~://lists.osgeo.org/pipermail/grass-dev/1998-March/002357.html March 1998]. The new GRASS 4.2.1 package, the first release after 4.1 from CERL became available in [~~http~~://lists.osgeo.org/pipermail/grass-dev/1998-January/002335.html January 1998]. The license change to GPL was discussed in [~~http~~://lists.osgeo.org/pipermail/grass-dev/1999-October/date.html October 1999]. GRASS 5 beta releases came out in [~~http~~://lists.osgeo.org/pipermail/grass-dev/1999-October/012816.html October 1999]. In 2006 a GRASS Wiki was started (originally TWIKI at http://grass.gdf-hannover.de/wiki/, then [https://lists.osgeo.org/pipermail/grass-announce/2006-May/000014.html in 2006 migrated to Mediawiki], eventually [https://lists.osgeo.org/pipermail/grass-announce/2008-April/000043.html in 2008 to moved to OSGeo] at https://grasswiki.osgeo.org/). The mailing lists were [https://lists.osgeo.org/pipermail/grass-announce/2007-November/000036.html migrated in 2007] from ITC-irst, Trento/Italy, to OSGeo, USA.		The GRASS project returned to real activity in 1997. A first attempt to get GRASS into Debian in [https://lists.osgeo.org/pipermail/grass-dev/1998-March/002357.html March 1998]. The new GRASS 4.2.1 package, the first release after 4.1 from CERL became available in [https://lists.osgeo.org/pipermail/grass-dev/1998-January/002335.html January 1998]. The license change to GPL was discussed in [https://lists.osgeo.org/pipermail/grass-dev/1999-October/date.html October 1999]. GRASS 5 beta releases came out in [https://lists.osgeo.org/pipermail/grass-dev/1999-October/012816.html October 1999]. In 2006 a GRASS Wiki was started (originally TWIKI at [https://web.archive.org/web/20071119014748/http://grass.gdf-hannover.de:80/wiki/Main_Page https://grass.gdf-hannover.de/wiki/], then [https://lists.osgeo.org/pipermail/grass-announce/2006-May/000014.html in 2006 migrated to Mediawiki], eventually [https://lists.osgeo.org/pipermail/grass-announce/2008-April/000043.html in 2008 to moved to OSGeo] at https://grasswiki.osgeo.org/). The mailing lists were [https://lists.osgeo.org/pipermail/grass-announce/2007-November/000036.html migrated in 2007] from ITC-irst, Trento/Italy, to OSGeo, USA.

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	== Ideas ==		== Ideas ==
	Consider watching the ML using https://github.com/elationfoundation/openThreads		Consider watching the ML using https://github.com/elationfoundation/openThreads
	(See: ~~http~~://www.slideshare.net/apw217/sotm-openthreadsfinal for an introduction to the project)		(See: https://www.slideshare.net/apw217/sotm-openthreadsfinal for an introduction to the project)